tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post3316837320200845839..comments2023-11-05T03:13:11.344-08:00Comments on Tracy Reifkind's Blog Living My Physical Potential: Me and Marla (Marla's combination)Tracy Reifkindhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07868257020358013257noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-38006793320389927082008-05-12T22:00:00.000-07:002008-05-12T22:00:00.000-07:00Dawn, you were very polite with your response. I w...Dawn, you were very polite with your response. I wasn't. My apologies to you. <BR/><BR/>I understand that people want to get creative with kettlebell lifts, but I haven't seen a compelling reason to merge the two-hand swing with the one-hand snatch.<BR/><BR/>You can train overhead positions much more safely, and just as effectively using half the weight with one hand at a time. Snatch, press, jerk, TGU, etc. <BR/><BR/>The overhead swing just strikes me as another way for Crossfit to distinguish itself from everyone else. Much like high-rep Olympic lifts. There are a few who can do it all, and they will be awesome, but the average person is taking more risk than they need to for improvement. RKC is safer.Aaron Fridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919420483167662474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-49303927816690939362008-04-25T05:31:00.000-07:002008-04-25T05:31:00.000-07:00JJ,So nice to see your comment, I can't wait to me...JJ,<BR/><BR/>So nice to see your comment, I can't wait to meet you and train at Firebellz on October! Aw....do I have to wait until October?Tracy Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868257020358013257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-32336937747583536382008-04-24T21:19:00.000-07:002008-04-24T21:19:00.000-07:00Aaron,Thanks for the info. I've been doing snatche...Aaron,<BR/>Thanks for the info. I've been doing snatches with a 16kg and can do 154 in 10 minutes. For KBS I usually go overhead with the lighter weights (16kg/20kg)but I did 2 pood last week and there was NO way I was getting it overhead, but I was getting it to eye level. I've always been taught to keep your arms straight and get it as high as feels comfortable, which was why I asked my initial question. <BR/>Thanks for all the info from everone.Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03342559944845865921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-83249523375459133972008-04-23T21:44:00.000-07:002008-04-23T21:44:00.000-07:00Dawn, Tracy almost always lists the weights she us...Dawn, Tracy almost always lists the weights she uses. Read a bit past the first blog entry, and then you'll know what kinds of weights she uses.<BR/><BR/>RKC technique is to swing the bell to a comfortable height, depending on the weight, the number of reps to perform, and the momentum of the kettlebell. RKC has nothing to do with the height of the kettlebell in a swing; it's about how people move and manage the body alignment and tension/relaxation when they swing. Could be crotch height; could be top-of-the-head height. But it's definitely not overhead.<BR/><BR/>Evidently, there's an effort by Crossfit to define an "American swing" that is a bastardized version of both the swing and the snatch. I resent this. I'm as American as anyone, and I've never, ever felt the urge to attempt an "overhead" swing. The mechanics make no sense, and if feels crappy. <BR/><BR/>If you're currently swinging a kettlebell overhead with both hands, I encourage you to drop down to one hand, perform a decent snatch, and join the rest of the kettlebell world. Seriously, just because hundreds or thousands of people are doing it, that doesn't make it wrong.Aaron Fridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919420483167662474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-50822242340967420942008-04-23T21:11:00.000-07:002008-04-23T21:11:00.000-07:00FWIW, I believe the Crossfit community is indeed i...FWIW, I believe the Crossfit community is indeed in need of better kettlebell instruction. Stating that an overhead swing is rational does not make it so, and the fact that it's "different" does not mean that those who disagree with it are prejudiced by tradition. But, by all means, do it if it makes you feel good.<BR/><BR/>I swing heavy up to eye height, but the stress is managed by my posterior chain of muscles, which are huge compared to those that comprise my shoulders. When the bell goes overhead, it's a snatch, which is achieved by swinging it high enough that I can move my body in a way that "supports" it overhead with my arm. I do not expect my shoulder to decelerate the weight that my hips managed to swing.<BR/><BR/>If that's the American-style swing, then it sucks. Just my opinion. You can swing low for reps and time, or you can swing to face level or use two bells for explosiveness with heavier weights. A full overhead swing is just a bad snatch. It's the way all my friends snatched when they were just learning how to, and so far none of them have been happy with it. They all strived to learn better technique that didn't feel uncoordinated and dangerous.Aaron Fridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919420483167662474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-36266386787273658982008-04-23T08:02:00.000-07:002008-04-23T08:02:00.000-07:00Great post Tracy, and I am the 3rd stinkin luckie...Great post Tracy, and I am the 3rd stinkin luckiest person behind you and Marla LOL :) <BR/><BR/>Thanks for posting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-1044074747240189012008-04-22T21:39:00.000-07:002008-04-22T21:39:00.000-07:00Marla,We at Firebellz are fortunate to witness you...Marla,<BR/>We at Firebellz are fortunate to witness your tansformation right before us. You truly are an inspiration and we thank you for all that you contribute. You are on a mission and it is within your grasp. We will continue to be here for you in any way we can to help you acheive your goal.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04253171514928323957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-13888071861447509992008-04-22T15:08:00.000-07:002008-04-22T15:08:00.000-07:00Dawn..perhaps you are referring to the "crossfit" ...Dawn..<BR/>perhaps you are referring to the "crossfit" technique of the swing. Here is what Greg Glassman had to say...<BR/>(Also you can google jeff martone american swing for a look at both ways.)<BR/><BR/>The Kettlebell Swing, by Greg Glassman - Sept 04 CFJ<BR/><BR/>kbswing.jpg<BR/>At CrossFit we swing the kettlebell overhead while the kettlebell community swings to eye or shoulder height. No matter how many times we’re admonished for our excessive swing we proceed unabated? What gives? Are we in need of additional, more “qualified”, kettlebell instruction?<BR/><BR/>While admitting a penchant for iconoclasm, we are not contrary solely for the sake of being contrary. Rational foundations for our programming, exercises, and technique are fundamental to CrossFit’s charter. We swim against the current only when we believe that doing so delivers a stimulus truer to our product – elite fitness.<BR/><BR/>In the March 2004 issue of the CrossFit Journal we stated that, “Criteria for (exercise) selection include, range of joint motion, uniqueness of line of action, length of line of action, strength of line of action, commonness of motor pattern, demands on flexibility, irreducibility, utility, foundational value, measurable impact on adherents, and, frankly, potential for metabolically induced comfort.”<BR/><BR/>This month we apply some of these criteria to an analysis of the two kettlebell swings and then assess two other CrossFit staples, the clean & jerk and the“thruster” for comparison and further elucidation of our thinking in selecting exercises for regular inclusion in our program.Gabby Eborallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00656733959228521497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-68897887576553762822008-04-22T08:36:00.000-07:002008-04-22T08:36:00.000-07:00Tracy,Thanks for your response. Yes, I know in a s...Tracy,<BR/>Thanks for your response. Yes, I know in a snatch that the bell is overhead however in a KB swing, I've only seen the Russian KB technique which brings the bell up to eye level and then the American technique which is to bring the bell overhead. I've not seen anyone just bring the bell to the chest in a swing, that's why I asked. Thanks again.<BR/>DawnDawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03342559944845865921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-4792420128146565592008-04-22T06:38:00.000-07:002008-04-22T06:38:00.000-07:00Tracy,Well I have already spoken to the mayor of A...Tracy,<BR/>Well I have already spoken to the mayor of Albuquerque about rolling out the red carpet when you come in October... Do you like to ride in convertibles?Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669505401507254617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-61568343891404741662008-04-22T04:47:00.001-07:002008-04-22T04:47:00.001-07:00Tracy,that video of all you three swinging togethe...Tracy,<BR/><BR/>that video of all you three swinging together looks like a class made for Fit TV!Mark Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796716749125262941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-42529405242051258002008-04-22T04:47:00.000-07:002008-04-22T04:47:00.000-07:00dawn,check out Tracy's picture that accompanies al...dawn,<BR/><BR/>check out Tracy's picture that accompanies all her comments.is that what you are referring to?Mark Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796716749125262941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-14479715866753795222008-04-22T04:22:00.000-07:002008-04-22T04:22:00.000-07:00Marla,I can't wait to meet all of the trainers and...Marla,<BR/><BR/>I can't wait to meet all of the trainers and your friends at Firebellz in Oct......I'm still invited, right? lol<BR/><BR/>We'll be talking soon....oh yes, when? E-mail me!Tracy Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868257020358013257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-79351149475744559362008-04-22T04:19:00.000-07:002008-04-22T04:19:00.000-07:00Dawn,What do you mean? Bring the bell overhead in...Dawn,<BR/><BR/>What do you mean? Bring the bell overhead in the swing movement? I bring the bell overhead all the time in a snatch movement and a press movement. <BR/><BR/>The top position af a swing has many variables. For my training and my body I never feel the need to bring the bell higher than chest level.Tracy Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868257020358013257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-39697792823373843912008-04-22T04:16:00.000-07:002008-04-22T04:16:00.000-07:00Tori,I was lucky enough to meet Heidi and Zar this...Tori,<BR/><BR/>I was lucky enough to meet Heidi and Zar this past Feb. in San Jose at the RKC, that's were I got my first "Firebellz" hat and t-shirt, which I wear constantly. I can't wait to train there in Oct.<BR/><BR/>More about Firebellz to come! Check out their website firebellz.comTracy Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868257020358013257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-15857600345161391232008-04-22T03:21:00.000-07:002008-04-22T03:21:00.000-07:00Tracy,I had a blast last week. It was a whirlwind ...Tracy,<BR/><BR/>I had a blast last week. It was a whirlwind of activity and I must admit... tough as the Bikrum yoga was... It was relaxing and felt good to sweat. <BR/><BR/>I have been reflecting on just how stinkin' lucky I have been. My fitness and weight loss have been a wonderful journey. I have been fortunate to work with some of the best trainers in Albuquerque. Heidi Rothenberg (who is now one of my closest friends); Brian Hartsfield, and Zar Horton. Heidi, Zar and JJ Blea own the FireBellz Studio (all RKC certified) where I workout and train.<BR/><BR/>Now I have you to add to my list of stinkin' lucky... the journey continues...Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669505401507254617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-60783750994111407852008-04-21T22:12:00.000-07:002008-04-21T22:12:00.000-07:00I'm curious as to why you don't bring the KB all t...I'm curious as to why you don't bring the KB all the way overhead in any of your videos and what weight KB do you use?<BR/>Thanks, I enjoy your blog and also the recipes.<BR/>DawnDawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03342559944845865921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-76356084506338725152008-04-21T09:06:00.000-07:002008-04-21T09:06:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Torihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05062731952974151912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6746449661347809966.post-3870634479549066892008-04-21T09:05:00.000-07:002008-04-21T09:05:00.000-07:00Cool! I am in Tucumcari, NM about 160 miles east ...Cool! I am in Tucumcari, NM about 160 miles east of Albuquerque. I have read about Firebellz and was hoping to go to a workshop this summer. It's a small world!Torihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05062731952974151912noreply@blogger.com